Out of curiosity (because I had no idea who Jill Greenberg was) I clicked on the link "For crying out loud!".

My first thought was "What in the hell would provoke anyone to take pictures of crying children?" It makes me break down in tears to see a child crying. Any mother would say the same.

I had no clue what this insanity was about, so I did some research. I found her gallery and read about her and researched even further. I don't want to say the name of the websites because I certainly do not want promote her work. If you are curious, google it yourself. This is America, right? Everyone has the right to express themselves and/or their thoughts, but I don't have to read it, watch it, or listen to it. That's why God created the TV remote control..(little joke there). Ignorance is not necessarily bliss, so I do encourage everyone to learn...even if you don't agree with the subject matter.

On one of the websites, there was a reference... Bill Moyer's “There is No Tomorrow” more than touches on Mrs. Greenberg’s subject matter. Again...I had no clue, so I looked that one up as well. What a jaw-dropper that was.

I grew up in a Christian home where the ideals weren't far from what Mr. Moyer stated in his article. Those ideals were, in fact, what kept me from church for most of my adult years. Not from God, or Jesus, mind you...just church. I am still astounded by the possibilty that there are that many Christians out there that are so fanatical that they would believe the things Mr. Moyer spoke of. I'm not going to quote him entirely, but so you know where I'm coming from, the gist of the article was about Christians that believe The Bible literally (particularly the book of Revelations).

I found Ms. Greenberg's "art" just as disturbing (on one hand, the left) as I did the fanatical Christian's views (the right hand) that Mr. Moyer described. I do believe we should preserve our planet for our children and grandchildren, but I do not believe that we are abusing it to the extent that the left-wing(nuts)claim.

The thing that nobody seems to want to admit is that this earth has been around long enough to see numerous civilizations come and go, and when we go down (which we will eventually, history repeating itself and all) the earth will still be here. That's the funny thing about this place...it has a tendency to toss out what's bad for it on it's own. But it's like the energizer bunny...it keeps going, and going, and going......

Cruel and unusual? Yes.

Art? Not in the least.

There IS a tomorrow and we must preserve it as best we can. But in the grand scheme of things, we are but a flea....well, you know the rest.

I looked at the pictures and was shocked at what I saw, then read how Ms. Greenberg obtained the photos and was even more dismayed. Here is a perfect example of what some people do in the name of "Art." To torment small children, on purpose, and then call it "End Times" is inexcusable. These photos supposedly depict children's horror at the coming of Armageddon. The woman should be brought up on charges of child abuse, but it will not happen because she is an "artist." The photos are an outrage, a lie, deception, morally unacceptable, and border on Christian bashing.

I also took lazydazy's suggestion and looked at some of the other available material mentioned, i.e. the Bill Moyer article. That article is one of the most inaccurate, slanderizing, and purposefully deceiving articles I have ever read, but then I have to remind myself that it is Bill Moyer that is writing it.

Bill takes just enough of the Bible, popular liberal opinion, and his own personal incorrect perceptions of Christians, whom it appears that he immensely dislikes, and spins it into an article that will make people believe it is the absolute gospel.

Bill knows enough about the Bible and Christianity to be dangerous, but to those who have made it a lifetime study, along with current events, it is obvious that Bill doesn't even know what he is talking about. He takes snippets of the Bible, rather than the whole sentence or paragraph, and uses them out of context. If you were to invest the time to find and read the selections he quotes, more often than not, it has nothing to do with what Bill is writing about.

Bill is a dangerous man who needs to be held accountable for the words he writes and speaks.

Most Christians I know do care about the environment. We do care that there are so many problems in the world. We do care and grieve that we are involved in a war against terrorists who choose to kill innocent people for their own political gain. We are sickened and distressed by abuse - especially child abuse. And yes, we do believe in the end time prophesy but understand that, as Jesus teaches, that we "will not know the day or hour of My return." Many of us concern ourselves in the here and now and walking out the process called sanctification in our own personal lives. We spend a lot of time reading the Bible and we pray for peace. I do not know any Christians who openly pray and hope for Armegeddon along with the pain, death and destruction it will bring.

By the way, Armegeddon is prophesied in the Bible and is not a concoction of two immigrants, as Bill Moyer writes.

Christians are not the only ones who talk about end times. Hollywood, which is definitely not Christian, is consumed with it.

Recent movies include Mad Max, The Postman, Arnmageddon, and Water World, just to name a few. This isn't a recent phenomenon either. Thirty to forty years ago, the movie Omega Man was quite popular.

The end time is addressed in several segments of society.

This is to lazydazy one more time.

You wrote, "I grew up in a Christian home where the ideals weren't far from what Mr. Moyer stated in his article. Those ideals were, in fact, what kept me from church for most of my adult years. Not from God, or Jesus, mind you...just church. I am still astounded by the possibilty that there are that many Christians out there that are so fanatical that they would believe the things Mr. Moyer spoke of. I'm not going to quote him entirely, but so you know where I'm coming from, the gist of the article was about Christians that believe The Bible literally (particularly the book of Revelations)."

I have seen these kinds of comments for a while. People do not have a problem with God or Jesus, just the church. Why the church? Because they believe the Bible literally. Christianity was founded on the beliefs that are found in the Bible. The Bible is the central foundation for people's understanding as to who God and Jesus are.

Everything is alright up to the point where the Bible says that the only path to God is through Jesus, that those who do not choose Jesus as their Savior will go to Hell, and that the world will come to an end because of the sinfulness of man.

So when should Christians take the Bible literally and when should they not? When should they believe what is written and when shouldn't they?

Since the church is founded on Jesus and the Bible is the principal source of understanding who Jesus is, what parts do we use for foundation and what parts do we ignore? Then, who is to decide what is to be believed?

Do we change what we believe because it makes others uncomfortable or it doeSn't fit other's agendas?

This is one reason why many Christians have decided to believe the Bible in its entirety.

It is either to be believed or it isn't.

I am far from a christian goodie goodie, but I believe in treating people right. To that extent, making children cry is not justified.

I had never hear of Jill Greenberg until yesterday. I just happened to log onto my computer to check my email, and saw the article about her. I think what caught my attention was the caption about "making babies cry", or something to that effect. I was a bit stunned that Moms would let someone give their children a gift, take it away, and snap a picture of the little ones when they started to cry. I will never buy anything she creates, and those mothers who allowed her to use their little ones should be ashamed. I suppose they were seduced by the idea that their children were going to be a part of an art exhibit. I wouldn't let someone make my little one cry on purpose, and be immortalized with tears for the sake of art or anything else.