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War- what is it good for?

Posted by gimpel on July 27, 2006 - 8:57 AM

Actually, a lot that we take for granted…

Hezbollah is worse than the KKK ever was. Would some have argued “restraint” in dealing with the KKK? Would they suggest that we should only get the klansman that actually put the rope around the neck, and not the one that supplied the rope or threw it around the tree limb or transported the victim to the tree? Would some have argued that we ignore the one who urged the lynching? Would some have argued that the KKK should be persuaded to live in peace with those it considered inferior and wonder what its victims had done to provoke them?
Or would they argue for complete defeat?
A lynching by the KKK, of course, denied the right to life, but could there be liberty and pursuit of happiness as long as the threat from the KKK existed?

Hezbollah denies the most basic guaranteed liberties- free association, speech, religion… everything.
Only complete defeat will stop them.

Israel is far away from us geographically, but close brothers in our love of freedom.

War- what is it good for?
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… all the components of freedom.

Submitted by mgroothand on July 27, 2006 - 11:49 AM.

War is often a necessity, most of us would be speaking German or Japanese if it weren't for war. But, Peace is a product of War.


Submitted by imdstuf on July 28, 2006 - 8:47 AM.

War has to do with money also. It is big business. Our top leaders do not care so much about the freedom of people in the middle east, but rather having political influence, especially considering how dependent we are on oil. It can be good business sometimes though, as it did pull us from the Great Depression. By the way, we never went to war with the KKK so that analogy does not work well. I do not like Hezbelloh, but how does Arabs not wanting Israel trying to occupy areas outside of their own country all the time not equate to wanting freedom?


Submitted by lazydazy on July 28, 2006 - 10:39 AM.

You missed the point. Arabs don't even want Israel to occupy their own country, let alone somebody else's. That's the whole problem over there. That's where the analogy with the KKK comes in. If the Arabs had their way, all non-muslims would be wiped off the face of the earth. Didn't you hear what that al-Zawahiri guy said yesterday? He pledged that al-Qaeda would not stop attacking until the entire world converted to Islam. The KKK had pretty much the same intentions only they weren't concerned with the entire planet...only their country. They wanted all non-white, non-Christians gone. I thought it was a pretty good comparison, myself. AND the KKK was actually worse. At least Zawahiri is giving us an out(hint of sarcasm inserted)...convert or die. With the KKK, if you were black, you were just screwed. They didn't have the "Michael Jackson" option of bleaching themselves.

True, we never went to war with the KKK. We didn't need to. They just couldn't seem to get themselves organized enough for outright battle (more sarcasm).


Submitted by FrozenOne on July 31, 2006 - 10:03 PM.

You my friend need to wake up and look what happened here in our country on 9-11. What did we do to the Arabs to deserve that and oh yes how soon we forget. You should learn to understand these Arab people they hate us and the freedoms that we have. They would much rather continue living in the Bible days. And before you pick on Isreal you had better know that they are GOD's chosen ones. Not only that, so many countries have tried to destroy them and failed. They did just what was aked of them and pulled out of the occupied territories and look what happened, the Hezbelloh cowards came across the border and killed Isreal soldiers and then launched a barrage of missles into their country. We always hear about all the civilans killed in Lebanon, but how about all the innocent Isreal citizens that have been killed over the years? Isreal is doing the right thing and if you notice they do not have their faces covered like the cowardly Hezbelloh terrorists do. And the United Nations is the biggest joke to ever be formed. It is my opion that they should be booted out of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA for supporting terrorism.


Submitted by imdstuf on August 02, 2006 - 11:49 AM.

"Bush two weeks ago likened Hizballah militants to the terrorists who last summer bombed London subways. That implies that Hizballah has the same mind-set and agenda as the global jihadis of al-Qaeda and its imitator groups, but they are not the same. Hizballah's military mission is principally to defend Lebanon from Israeli intrusion and secondarily to destroy the Jewish state. As an Islamist group under Iran's sway, Hizballah would like to see Islamic rule in Lebanon. The global jihadis think much bigger. They are Salafists, radicals who seek to revive the original and, to their minds, pure practice of Islam and establish a caliphate from Spain to Iraq, in all the lands where Islam has ever ruled. The Salafists are Sunni, and Hizballah is Shi'ite, which means their hatred for each other is apt to rival their hatred for the U.S. Al-Qaeda's late leader in Iraq, Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, used to say Shi'ites were worse than Americans and launched a brutal war on them in Iraq. Of course, Sunnis and Shi'ites do sometimes cooperate. Ali Mohammed, a former Green Beret who pleaded guilty to being an al-Qaeda agent, testified in 2000 that he had provided security for a meeting in Sudan between Hizballah security chief Imad Mughniyah and Osama bin Laden and that Hizballah had provided al-Qaeda with explosives training. If there was cooperation, it seems to have been short-lived; the two groups certainly aren't allies. Lebanese police in April arrested nine men that Hizballah officials claim were al-Qaeda agents plotting to assassinate their leader. In a recently published interview with the Washington Post's Robin Wright, Nasrallah slammed al-Qaeda. "What do the people who worked in those two [World Trade Center] towers ... have to do with war that is taking place in the Middle East?" he asked. Bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri last week released a videotape about the fighting in Lebanon, but at least in the excerpts released by al-Jazeera, he conspicuously failed to encourage Hizballah in its fight against Israel or to so much as mention the group. Instead, al-Zawahiri spoke of the jihad--that is, al-Qaeda's jihad--being the one that would liberate Palestine. " - Time

Maybe you should read this and see that you are racist by grouping all Muslims together. By doing so we are actually encouraging them to work together. This will only work against us. It is better to note their differences, keep them divided and thus keep them weaker.


Submitted by rehit1 on August 02, 2006 - 9:26 PM.

imdstuf, I understand what you're saying. I, personally, have not grouped all Muslims in the terrorist category. But I'm telling you, it's hard to hang back when you're in public and not raise an eyebrow when you see a guy with a turban on his head.

If you want to call it racism, well, let me put it in a different perspective. What if you were a white person (man or woman..doesn't matter) and you were wronged by a black person...or the other way around. It's human nature to do a double take when you see someone on the street that resembles the one that caused you harm or fear. That person you just passed on the street doesn't have anything to do with your trauma, but they remind you and you are right back where you were when it happened. Not saying the thinking is right, but it is somewhat justified.

Most people these days are more aware of all the things you stated, but not to the degree that you described. Most people don't understand the difference between a Sunni and a Shite or any other Muslim group. And those people that are included in the "most" category are the ones that we, that do get it, have to deal with every day. I work with a bunch of people 5 days a week that have no clue that there are different sects of Islam. It's not really their fault that they don't know. They just aren't interested.

You make good points about keeping them arguing in their own little circles. Makes perfect sense to me. On a level that most any American can understand is keeping things stirred up within a specific political party. Keep them divided and they'll be too worried about each other than the "enemy" (otherwise known as either the donkey or the elephant depending on which side you're on). Isn't that where "United we stand, divided we fall" came from?

Anyway, point is...the average non-Muslim doesn't care how many different Islamic groups there are. Just like they(fanatical Muslims) don't care if we (non-Muslims) are Jews or Christians (to include the different denominations of Christians...Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians..etc). And let's not forget the strife between Catholics and Protestants...still all Christians but fighting with each other in certain regions of the world.

So let's stick with the obvious. Even the Catholics and Protestans will hang with each other in bad times so why should you think that the fanatical Muslims won't do the same? That's what the old guy, al-Zawahiri, is trying to do every time he shows his ugly mug (by the way...why is Osama not on any of these videos? Is it, maybe, because he's already DEAD?)on a new video tape...unite Islam. He doesn't care if you're Sunni or Shiite, or whatever other kind of Muslim you are. He just wants them all to conquer the infidel. Zawahiri doesn't care if it's Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaeda, or the Taliban. Just kill the infidel.

One other thing...it's not just fanatical Islam's hatred for the US, it's their hatred for the Western world. Yeah...the Sunnis and the Shiites went along with Zarqawi. If they didn't, he'd kill them too. Three words...they were afraid. Of course they cooperated. They (Muslims) are all victims of the fanaticism. So do we feel sorry for them because they comply out of fear? Um....NO.


Submitted by imdstuf on August 03, 2006 - 10:14 AM.

Yes, I guess I see the point, even if Hezbellah is not out to conquer the west, the fact that Al Queda would use them to their own advantage does make them dangerous. Israel getting rid of Hezballah in south Lebanon appears to be harder than thought though...kind of like us going into Iraq. I don't want to see this battle drag on like that. Too much temptation for other countries to get involved again, and I am not ready to see a world war.


Submitted by g_dog_blog on July 28, 2006 - 7:32 PM.

Deadly accurate, Gempel. Bravo!


Submitted by dougmo on July 30, 2006 - 5:38 PM.

War has ended the following:

1 Slavery in this country
2 Nazism
3 Communism
4 Facisim
5 Imperialism

War is the last extension of any political policy and should be used as a last resort, however if war can save over 10 million
people from the gas chambers, I say more war is a needed evil.


Submitted by juqann2004 on July 31, 2006 - 2:33 AM.

War is sometimes a necessary evil....However the wars we are fighting now have only served to make more people hate us than before we started these wars...so what do we do 20 years from now when the children of those who hate us are all grown up....there will be even more hamas and hezbollah's in the world than there are now....so what do we do then....more war....you can't change the way a man thinks by force....only by changing the way he thinks....war is not the answer....education is the answer.


Submitted by lazydazy on July 31, 2006 - 12:36 PM.

Please....spare us. These people don't want to be educated. Not by us, anyway. They don't care what we think. Eradication is the answer, not education.

In case you haven't noticed, we are already dealing with grown up children of the ones that hate us because we didn't take care buisness back in 1983 when Hezbollah first attacked us and killed 241 of our Marines. So if we go along with your way of thinking, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. At least this way we go down fighting and not looking weak as we have in the past.


Submitted by FrozenOne on July 31, 2006 - 10:16 PM.

Boy are you out of touch with reality. HELLO Mcfly! wake up these Arabs hated us even before we started this battle against world terrorism. Perhaps you need to sit down and talk with my son-in-law who has been there twice, because what you hear on CNN is not the whole story but the negative only and a political ploy to divide and destoy this great country of ours. We all know that Wolf Blitzer hates this current administration and is trying to bring it down by dividing AMERICA. We weren't even involved in the Middle East when they came to our country and killed over 3,000 of our citizens and for what? Because they already hated us and our way of life. They sure opened a big can of whip butt thou and we had better stay the course and complete the mission to include backing Isreal or this country will suffer an attack that will surpass 9-11 because that's how these fanatics operate, by trying to out do each other. I don't like war but I will go and do what is neccessary to defeat these terrorists on their own groun.


Submitted by weekapaug05 on July 31, 2006 - 10:25 AM.

Without war we wouldn't know which country is stronger than the other and we wouldn't get to see any of those wicked cool explosions!


Submitted by FrozenOne on July 31, 2006 - 10:24 PM.

You hero need to grow up. War isn't about which country is stronger or who has the better weapons. War is serious and brave men and women loose their lives so that childern like you can go on thinking that it's a video game. War is neccessary when all else fails and in these current situations there is no reasoning with terrorists, because as far as they are concerned they are rightous and we are all low life infidels that must be destroyed. It is far better that we fight them on their own ground than here in AMERICA.


Submitted by weekapaug05 on August 01, 2006 - 1:11 PM.

Dude that was a joke, you know something to make people laugh. I got tired of everyone yelling back and forth at each other all over this blog that I thought for once I might lighten it up a bit, but I guess that's not going to happen. I have friends that are over in Iraq and Afganastan and have friends that have died over there. Have you ever been to a close friend's funeral because he got blown up by an IDI? So don't tell me about loss of life and video games. Besides, you don't know who you are talking to on these blogs and don't know anything about them so you may want to be a little more curtious before you make assumtions about people. So there's no reason to call me a child and make cutting remarks like that, and chill out.


Submitted by rehit1 on August 01, 2006 - 8:55 PM.

weekapaug05, maybe you need to make it more obvious when you are making a joke. I've read some of your other replies to other posts and you didn't appear (in this case) to be joking to me, either. I think I have a pretty keen sense of humor and your sarcasm wasn't really clear. It sounded like you were making fun of the whole situation.

Nobody (I hope) thinks anything that's goin' on over there is a joke, but one of the ways people deal with things is through sarcasm. I get that. But when you read things in print, it's hard to get the "joke" inflection unless you point it out. I know, takes a little bit away when you have to explain yourself, but unless you want to be misunderstood in writing....it's a necessary evil...HA...see?


Submitted by weekapaug05 on August 02, 2006 - 1:21 PM.

Yeah they really do need to make a sacastic font or something. I run into this problem a lot when writing emails and things of that nature. Pink and I are going to cut an album this fall called "Misunderstood Again" ... look for it around mid-April, Ted Nugent and Ian Scott is guest staring on a few tracks.


Submitted by rehit1 on August 02, 2006 - 7:52 PM.

Cool! I'll be listening for it. I'm sure it'll be a chart buster. Can't go wrong with Ted and..uh...Ian? Ian went right over my head I guess. I know who he is, I just don't get the connection. Or maybe that was your ironicalness showing it's weird head? But that was good, man. See? Ya gotta let people know in an obsure way that you are jokin' around.


Submitted by beechcat on August 01, 2006 - 6:21 PM.

It's so unfortunate that in a time where so much education is acsessable through so many technological advances, that modern man cannot all agree to disagree with each other's beliefs. We in America have come a long way in the last 40 years, and even though we have a long way to go, we are learning to get along with each other regardless of the religious wall between us.
However, there are many extremeists in this world, whose only wants are to eliminate the Christian and Jewish races. They will not stop. EVER! The only way to prevent this is by war. Is this the best solution? Never! However it is the only solution for the survival of our way of life.
It's too bad that countries like Germany, France, and Russia actually believe that a peaceful solution can be reached. They need to help provide troops to show the Middle East that the rest of the world will not tolerate this useless killing anymore! Those wishing to kill themselves along with thousands of innocent civilians want to die anyway. We'll just help them get there without our peaceful people having to go with them. Will some lose their lives? The horrible answer is yes. MANY of our soldiers will die. The Lord God will understand what they died for and will give them many crowns in Heaven. But MILLIONS of lives will be saved.
Winston Churchill was asked on his deathbed if he had any regrets. He said, "Only one. I had the opportunity to take out Adolf Hitler in 1935, but didn't because everyone convinced me that he hadn't done anything yet. I go to death with 6,000,000 Jewish souls on my conscious, as well as millions of others." That is the attitude we must have now to prevent perhaps billions of lives from being lost. Freedom is not free. Even John Kerry doesn't believe the killings will stop with a so called, "Peace Agreement". He says we just to be willing to have an acceptable number of lives lost from terrorism.
If anyone believes that a peaceful solution can be reached with terrorists, I won't call you naive, dumb, uneducated, or anything like that. I sincerely admire you! Really! I only wish I could believe that way. But it's not logical. September 11, 2001 was only the beginning of what they would be capable of without the bravery of many young men and women who sacrificed their lives to prevent future attacks. May God bless these men and women and forever take care of them and their families.
And if Churchill were able to talk to our President, he'd say, "You made the right decision, and saved many American and Jewish lives. Many died, but not nearly as many who would have. But there are more people who will never understand that than the ones who will. They will use the opportunity that the freedom you allowed them to continue with to pronounce the grave injustices you placed upon our young military. But unlike me, on your deathbed, you will have no regrets."
May God bless you all, regardless of your position on this.


Submitted by rehit1 on August 01, 2006 - 9:19 PM.

Man, the only thing I have to disagree with you about is the reasoning behind why France, Germany, etc. aren't solidly behind us. They don't really believe we (they) can resolve this diplomatically. Three words....they are afraid. They still remember WWII and they don't want it again.

Churchill was right. Just go look at the death stats. We've barely scratched the surface of the lives that were lost during WWII (civilian and military combined) compared to the numbers since, and including, 9/11. We are doing the right thing.

As far as Kerry goes, who cares what he thinks? He jumps on the bandwagon of whatever is popular at any given second. Right now, he knows his best chances at getting elected in 2008 is to go along with whatever Bush is backing. Otherwise, (as far as he can tell) we'll have another Republican president until at least 2012.


Submitted by mgroothand on August 03, 2006 - 11:48 AM.

If war was not a necessity at times we'd all be speaking German or Japanese, or both. As a child I lived through WWII in Europe and I still remember it and the many family members that were killed. Still, after all that, I would recommend such decisive action and not necessarily as a last resort. Sometimes these "last resorts" come too late. We are not fighting this current war against a conventional force, they don't wear a uniform to be recognized and the Geneva convention is a joke to them.
As far as education for this enemy is concerned, you have to consider the educators. There are few, if any, schools in the Arab world that are allowed to teach anything beyond what their government or local tribal leaders tells them to teach. Most of which is hatred towards Jews, Americans and anything non-Muslim. This kind of teaching starts in pre-K. We, in this country, worry about the likes of Noam Chomski or Ward Churchill. They are pussycats compared to what goes in Kindergarten in the Arab world.


Submitted by mgroothand on August 03, 2006 - 11:56 AM.

If war was not a necessity at times we'd all be speaking German or Japanese, or both. As a child I lived through WWII in Europe and I still remember it and the many family members that were killed. Still, after all that, I would recommend such decisive action and not necessarily as a last resort. Sometimes these "last resorts" come too late. We are not fighting this current war against a conventional force, they don't wear a uniform to be recognized and the Geneva convention is a joke to them.
As far as education for this enemy is concerned, you have to consider the educators. There are few, if any, schools in the Arab world that are allowed to teach anything beyond what their government or local tribal leaders tells them to teach. Most of which is hatred towards Jews, Americans and anything non-Muslim. This kind of teaching starts in pre-K. We, in this country, worry about the likes of Noam Chomski or Ward Churchill. They are pussycats compared to what goes in Kindergarten in the Arab world.