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Advanced citizenshipPosted by geekspeak on January 24, 2006 - 12:55 PM Alright, we have had quite a few flame wars on this site lately and I feel the need to chime in. Religion is a touchy subject. It is something that stirs our passions and can be the source of great controversy. When this country was founded, the founders wisely put in a provision that addresses this very issue. We are all free to choose to follow whatever religion we want, or to not follow one at all. I’m beginning to wonder if we are in need of a reminder of this simple fact. A scene from one of my favorite movies has come to mind a lot lately. It is from The American President (if you haven’t seen this movie, I HIGHLY recommend it), and is the president’s public reaction to some things going on in his personal life: “America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've got to want it bad, because it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil who is standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the 'land of the free'? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the 'land of the free.'" Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are two items that we need to remember and hold onto tightly. One of the greatest things about this country is we have the freedom to be whomever we want to be. There has been a big push by a lot of people for this country to “get back to its roots†and/or be the “Christian nation it was founded to beâ€. To me, anyone who calls for this needs to go retake some history classes. This country was not founded as a “Christian nationâ€. This country was intended to be a free country and the provision about freedom of religion was put into the Constitution to protect us from the tyranny of state-sponsored religion. Many people came to the colonies to escape the Church of England – not to set up a new theocracy. If that offends anybody, I’m sorry but I really don’t care. Sometimes the truth hurts. Submitted by 4Him on January 26, 2006 - 7:10 PM.
When it is said that this country was founded on christianity, I do agree with you, to SOME extent. What they mean by this statement is that our founding fathers had strong christian values. Of course, if you do your history, you will find that most of the founding fathers were Freemasons. (Of course, Freemasonry is kind of a broad "religion", if you can even call it that). Their values were more of the christian persuation, and that is where this comes from. It was important enough to them to mention God in some of the most important documents they wrote. They knew freedom was a gift from God. As far as a statement about "burning the flag", I do not agree. A person should be grateful for their freedom. If it were not for many men fighting and risking their lives many years ago, we would not have our freedom. The flag is a symbol of our freedom. It is a respect issue. Should you be put in jail or burned at the stake for burning a flag-no. But I believe if someone hates a country that much, then they should be given a plane ticket to go elsewhere. They obviously don't want to be here anyway. Freedom is a word that people have different views on. Freedom to some people may be them being able to do WHATEVER they want. But, if we do not have order, this country would be in a MUCH bigger mess than it is now. To others it may be the feeling of being able to walk down the street without being shot by a soldier because they are not wearing the correct clothing or are worshiping an unforbidden God, or even writing this blog. The problem is people want "their own" freedom. That may not be the same as yours or mine. Yours may affect mine and vice versa. I for one feel very blessed to live in this country. When you look at some of the alternatives, America is beautiful. As far as "the truth hurts"; I believe that is why some people don't want to hear what christians have to say. I believe there are alot of people that deep down are afraid we are telling the truth. You see, us christians already knew ahead of time the day was coming when we would not be tolerated. We have not been tolerated for a long time now. This warning was written nearly two-thousand years ago. That's why I don't understand why some christians are so surprised at the treatment they receive. To the christians out there that are tired of being told to shut-up: hold dear to the words of our Lord: "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10 You are right, we do have the right to choose. God gave us the right to choose Him or not. But, you also have the right to know what the repercussion could be if you make the wrong decision. Freedom is ONE of the most important gifts God gave us. How ironic that "freedom" is the very thing being used to push God away. Submitted by logos on January 31, 2006 - 5:23 PM.
Not really. Your statement that, "One of the greatest things about this country is we have the freedom to be whomever we want to be," is not true. This free nation places limits on my personal freedom. For example, I do not have the right to be a murderer. I do not have the right to be a thief. I do not have the right to force my beliefs on a fellow American. Americans, particularly those of a liberal slant, seem to have forgotten that without limits to freedom, there is no free society at all. Unlimited freedom is anarchy, pure and simple. In a free society, who set these necessary limits? A 55-45 majority of votes in the Senate? A 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court? Those would seem to be rather shaky grounds on which to establish the "morality" of society. To where do we turn? Personally, I think the laws and moral regulations of society need to come from a "higher level". Man has little business establishing the morality of other men. We just screw things up. There has to be something higher and more perfect than we can dream up. That's why I believe only God's standard should be the legal and moral laws of this country. If God wants to limit my freedom, that's His right. Who am I to argue with Him? He does not need a vote to establish His law, nor should we be allowed to filibuster His implementation of His law. Of course, you may ask just what I mean by "God". But, that's another subject and another blog entry. |
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