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Class AAAA? Could be on the way for Richmond County.Posted by Jeff Sentell on November 21, 2007 - 4:36 PM Some folks are mad. They have every right to be. It has to do with the Richmond County Board of Education and athletics. There is a proposal generated in-house to move all of the county schools to Class AAAA for Georgia High School Association competition. The state’s teams are being reclassified and re-aligned for the 2008-2010 school years over the next 60 days. Every Richmond County school besides Laney will ask the GHSA to move to Class AAAA. That’s the proposal for realignment that was faxed to the GHSA yesterday. Laney will stay in Class AA. Everyone else moves to Class AAAA with Richmond Academy. The Musketeers are the only school in the county with Class AAAA numbers. Josey and Westside will hop two classes. Butler, Cross Creek, Glenn Hills and Hephzibah will play up one class. It likely means a region that includes Evans and Lakeside, with even a chance Harlem could move up to Class AAAA. Every GHSA school in our area except those in Class A will be affected by this move. “The big reasons for moving the schools to one class were transportation and financial issues,” Richmond County Board of Education athletic director George Bailey said. “Four years ago we allowed the schools to play in their own regions. Our gate receipts have plummeted those four years. We have not made a lot of money on those gates. The out-of-town schools in the regions just did not bring people to our games.” The current shortfall in football ticket revenue will be helped. There will be fewer off nights with crowds from Glynn Academy, Metter or Screven County opting not to take the long road trip. No county teams will make return trips to those respective schools. That’s a credible reason give the cost of gasoline these days. “One of the things at the top of the list behind this idea was travel,” Bailey said. “Our county schools and teams were just tired of those long bus rides and road trips.” It may allow control of a GHSA region. The Board of Education could tell its athletics directors and coaches how to vote on region matters. They can set schedules up in the county’s best interests. They can organize security officers in a more effective manner. There’s some good to the plan. But here’s the ace of spades when it comes to bad. It’s a decision influenced by things that affect the adult world. Revenue and travel are things for adults to worry about. Count me among the group that believes that every prep athletic decision should be done with one thing foremost in mind: Kids. “You hate to say finances may be one of the driving forces,” Bailey said. “But state policies detail how schools can spend money. There are things we can only purchase through gate receipts like uniforms, equipment and paying the officials. Our officiating bill this year is going to be in the neighborhood of $180,000 for all the sports. The board of education can’t come in if we fall short of the gate monies that we need. We can’t come in and help out to buy uniforms for all these teams.” The county high school teams rely on big crowds for proper funding. “If those numbers don’t change, what you are going to have to start doing is cutting back the number of people you allow on a team,” Bailey said. “Instead of allowing a football coach to have 60, 70 or 80 kids we’ll have to have to cut it back to 40 or 50. Because that’s all the uniforms we can afford to buy for each team.” Josey and Westside would be total underdogs from the outset. “You’ve essentially told those schools and those coaches to forget about winning a state championship,” one Richmond County coach told me last week. No area coach worth their whistle will be able to look a team in the eye on the first day of practice and identify a goal of winning a state title. It just won’t happen. Evans and its 1820 students would dominate a Class AAAA region of Richmond County teams. Here’s an example: Let’s say one of the best Josey or Westside in recent years made the state playoffs this year. They’d be facing a Class AAAA school like Evans faced last week. Lee County High School has 1774 students. The Trojans must have had 100 players suited up last Friday. They had at least 13 coaches in white polo shirts. If they had faced the Eagles, the other sideline would have lined up a total of 40 players. There would maybe have been six Josey coaches. Josey is slotted with 917 students. Westside is slotted with 902. Class AAA Glenn Hills moves up to Class AAAA with 983 students in its own right. That’s almost double the amount of student population. “It will be a David and Goliath thing,” Westside baseball and football coach Gerald Barnes said. “I’m not saying it can’t be done. We will try the best that we can. I don’t want the size of the schools to be a factor to our kids if that happens.” Football teams are driven by student population. That gives a Lee County twice as good a chance as having a good team at its school than Glenn Hills, Josey or Westside. It’s like a lottery ticket. One school just has more chances to have a lot of good players. One aftershock of the proposal is it will increase the disparity of Richmond County’s budgeted coaching slots for its teams. Class AAAA schools routinely field coaching staffs with anywhere to 12 to 15 coaches. Richmond County’s teams would be out-manned in that area, too. The county’s schools may have up to five paid assistants. The county’s Class AAA teams like Butler, Cross Creek and Hephzibah will be moving up to face a disadvantage in those areas, too. Those schools chances to win a playoff game in all sports will be reduced, not enhanced. “I thought the whole purpose of classification was to have schools of the same size compete against one another in the postseason?” Hephzibah girls basketball coach Wendell Lofton said. “Why have classes at all then?” This is cash flow winning out over state rings. A bottom lines trumping success in postseason play. Playoff exposure helps scholarship chances. “Making the playoffs and a state championship ring is not the sole purpose we have in mind for athletic activities,” Bailey said. “Our first and foremost reason for athletics is to provide the most opportunities for all our students to be successful. We want to be able to offer all the athletic opportunities we can to all our students.” If the ability to simply field teams is compromised, the issue is more complex. If this is a mode of survival instead of profit, that’s a better reason for the move. The Savannah area has done this for years. The Chatham County schools played 1-2 classes up in regards to classification. Most of the schools have Class AAA or AAAA numbers, but they’ve been Class AAAAA since the GHSA went to five classes in 2000. No team from Chatham County has won a state football playoff game since. Laney was proposed to move up to Class AAAA last week. That school’s 629 students would have had a greater chore than Josey and Westside. I’m surprised those schools took a pass at staying where they belonged when Laney chose to stay Class AA. It’s an inequality. The only place for a youth to play football in the county if you want to win state playoff games and get noticed will now be with the Laney Wildcats. “Laney did not feel like it would be competitive,” Bailey said. “This wasn’t something where we were forcing the schools to move. If so, all the schools would have been in the Quad-A proposal.” Why not just play up to Class AAA? That would have left ARC alone in Class AAAA. The majority of the county schools would have stayed in AAA. Josey, Laney and Westside would have been the only ones to play up. Those schools would not have been as out-manned in AAA as they are under this new plan. The other fallout will be teams like Burke County, Thomson and Washington County may land in the same region with Baldwin and Jones County. That’s a tough region. This will not simply be a football issue. But football is where the numbers gap will be felt the most in athletic competition. Barnes will lead a baseball team that can win Class AAAA games in the area if it has pitching. But the ride to the state finals in 2005 won’t happen again. Richmond County’s top basketball team will suffer once it reaches state play. Hephzibah will face schools with up to 600 more students to draw players from. “It will prevent us from going deep,” Lofton said. “I want my kids exposed to the state playoffs in Albany and Macon. We will go to the second round and then we go home. Are we doing this in regard to what’s best for the children or something else? We are in the business of helping children I do believe.” If the new plan is approved, I’d suggest Richmond County use some of their savings to sponsor a splendid region championship trophy. Make sure it rivals the size of the Class AAAA state championship trophy. They’ll be the small school with the big trophy trounced in the first round of the playoffs every year. But they’ll have a big trophy. At least they won’t be slighted in that regard. Submitted by chefzd on November 21, 2007 - 6:52 PM.
This is a crazy idea. Why don't all the schools move to AAA instead of AAAA and let Richmond Academy be in AAAA region with the Columbia County schools. We have to many high schools in Richmond County to be competitive in football.
Submitted by jcd1961us on November 21, 2007 - 7:48 PM.
How about somebody picking up the trash over at Westside High from the game that was held there last Friday night!!! What are you teaching the kids? If your next door neighbor kept their property the way that Westside keeps their's, you would call the Marshall's Office. We have---and nothing changes!
Submitted by BobbyHodges on November 21, 2007 - 11:29 PM.
The problem isn't the classifications. The problem is how the GHSA throws teams from this area into absolutely ludicrous regions with teams from Savannah, Milledgeville, Macon, Atlanta, or even Warner Robins. The region alignments are what forces the ridiculous travel. The only way schools can 'beat the system' is to overload the area for the class, as Savannah has done, forcing themselves into their own region. Doing so eliminates those 400 mile round trip crusades and saves each school many thousands of dollars each year.
That being said, I sincerely hope that the McDuffie Cty BOE is aware of this and will consider playing up in AAAA. If not, Thomson will end up traveling all over the state to play region games.
Submitted by BobbyHodges on November 21, 2007 - 11:32 PM.
And ironically, former AAA teams in an Augusta football region would have a statistically greater chance of making the state playoffs than they have the last four years because of the subregion with Savannah.
Submitted by cop1 on November 22, 2007 - 2:58 AM.
I beleive this idea is one they should take bake to the drawing board! I played for Evans 93-97 and during those years we had some of the best teams Evans has ever had and we still struggled to make the playoffs. We only made it in 95 and 96 and in 95 many would argue that was the best team Evans ever had. Since then I believe including this years good team Evans has only made the playoffs three times since. Greenbrier and Lakeside both have had little sucess in AAAA. The only sport these teams can dominate is baseball. In this area there is a better chance for these teams if they move to AAA were you could start a new region with Thompson, Glenn Hills, Butler, Josey, Westside, ARC(who needs to move down), Laney, Hephzibah, and Cross Creek. This would give you a better chance to be sucessfull in all sports not just football.
Submitted by deeo1055@yahoo.com on November 22, 2007 - 7:45 AM.
Look, each team can only put 11 men on the field at a time. We need the local rivalries, and can be competitive even for State Championships if the BOE decided to put the VERY BEST head coaches and assistant coaches available into every program. Every school is in Richmond County now has a brand new stadium or one under construction.
Successful athletics, especially football, are a great draw for any community---LOOK AT LINCOLN COUNTY. They bolster community pride and ties and the willingness to work for the betterment of all--regardless of race, religious denonoimnation, etc.
Augusta can compete with the native at atheletes that we have, and given our facilities, we could draw some of the best head coaches and assitant coaches in the state. GET THE COACHES, AND PAY THEM WELL. A college athletic scholarship is as much a scholorship as is an academic one. And when you look at how much our local facilities have cost to build and maintain, it is time we get a good return on our investment, not only for the participating kids but for their parents, families, and local school communities as well.
Submitted by jhuran on November 22, 2007 - 7:37 PM.
If all of our football players held solid accademic standards,most of our Richmond ,Co schools could`nt field 40-50 players.We need to ask ourselves what is really important.Is it a true high school education or is it big money?I remember when this attitude blew up in the face of UGA.
Submitted by CryoCyberTronics on November 23, 2007 - 4:58 PM.
It's time for the R.C.B.O.E. to address the bad situation with the outdated High School zoning in Augusta. The Laney-Walker Area Community in particular. Which in part is still the heart of the African-American Community here in Richmond Co. The point is, that Laney-Walker students are being bus to A.R.C. whom are black. While the White students from zones other than the Laney-Walker Community that should be attending Lucy Laney are attending A.R. Johnson, and J.H. Davidson High Schools Instead. Whats needs to change, is that more African-American students from the Laney-Walker Community Area should be attending A.R. Johnson, and J.S. Davidson High Schools themselves. Also The Laney-Walker Community should be petitioning The R.C.B.O.E. for a new Middle School in the Laney-Walker Community Area to replace the lost of A.R. Johnson Jr. High School to bing turned into a new Health Professional High School. We know that A.R. Johnson H.S, J.H. Davidson H.S., And C.T. Walker Magnet Schools located in the Laney-Walker Community have achieved high standards in the State of Georgia. But what have they achieved in the African-American, Laney-Walker Community, And The Augusta-Richmond County Area? We need to know what the benefits are to the Laney-Walker Community as well as the African-American citizens of Richmond County. After all this is the main reason why these types of school were created in the Laney-Walker Community Area in the first place RIGHT...!!! If not, than maybe we can take up this issue at the next R.C.B.O.E. meting...???
Submitted by CryoCyberTronics on November 23, 2007 - 5:10 PM.
It's time for the R.C.B.O.E. to address the bad situation with the outdated High School zoning in Augusta. The Laney-Walker Area Community in particular. Which in part is still the heart of the African-American Community here in Richmond Co. The point is, that Laney-Walker students are being bus to A.R.C. whom are black. While the White students from zones other than the Laney-Walker Community that should be attending Lucy Laney are attending A.R. Johnson, and J.S. Davidson High Schools Instead. Whats needs to change, is that more African-American students from the Laney-Walker Community Area should be attending A.R. Johnson, and J.S. Davidson High Schools themselves. Also The Laney-Walker Community should be petitioning The R.C.B.O.E. for a new Middle School in the Laney-Walker Community Area to replace the lost of A.R. Johnson Jr. High School to bing turned into a new Health Professional High School. We know that A.R. Johnson H.S, J.S. Davidson H.S., And C.T. Walker Magnet Schools located in the Laney-Walker Community have achieved high standards in the State of Georgia. But what have they achieved in the African-American, Laney-Walker Community, And The Augusta-Richmond County Area? We need to know what the benefits are to the Laney-Walker Community as well as the African-American citizens of Richmond County. After all this is the main reason why these types of school were created in the Laney-Walker Community Area in the first place RIGHT...!!! If not, than maybe we can take up this issue at the next R.C.B.O.E. meting...???
Submitted by eternal7cipher on November 23, 2007 - 11:27 PM.
Correction to CryoCybertronics comment: A.R. Johnson has been a Health Science and Engineering Magnet High School for over 15 years and the majority of the students were and are black. I am a '97 graduate of ARJ. That is not the topic. All of the regular high schools need to be class AAA with ARC dropping back down. We are not ready for class AAAA and none of our schools will be winning any games if we move them all up.
Submitted by eternal7cipher on November 23, 2007 - 11:33 PM.
I would also like to mention I would love for more blacks from the Laney-Walker area to attend the magnet schools but they are not making the grades. AR Johnson, Davidson and CT Walker have certain admission criteria and grade requirements. They also do not participate in sports because they can recruit students from the entire county (which would be unfair). They're whole focus is on academics not athletics.
Submitted by CryoCyberTronics on November 24, 2007 - 12:28 PM.
Ware High School for Blacks was the first School for the African-Americans in The State of Georgia. Right here in Augusta-Richmond County. Back than things were not so equal at that time either. In an effort to keep the Ware High School opened. Members of the Springfield African-American Community had to take their case all the way to The Supreme Court of The United States of America. In Cumming v The Board of Education of Richmond County. I'm from the Uptown Area of Augusta, Georgia. As far back as I can remember my family has always attended J.S. Davidson Elm.(F.K.A.Telfair Elm.), C.T. Walker Elm., A.R. Johnson Jr. High, and L.C. Laney High Schools. We have always supported our communities and our schools. All I,m saying is that The Richmond County Broad of Education needs to re-format the current zoning school directs, to allow more of our children to attend more school in their own communities. That way all of Richmond County's High School would have an equal amount of student enrollment. For the same reason we need an new Middle School in The Laney-Walker Community to Support L.C. Laney and T.W. Josey. The only true Middle School the Laney-Walker Area has at this time is East Augusta Middle School (F.K.A. Sand Bar Ferry Jr. High School). So now can see...??? The Laney-Walker Community is already in an unfair situation...!!!
Submitted by pointcove on November 24, 2007 - 1:28 PM.
The schools should all go to AAA and have ARC eventually come down. Rivalries with the Columbia County schools should be encouraged, also. Plus, the racial make-up of Richmond Cty is changing towards more blacks. The agreement at the magnet schools now is to have 50% blacks. This percentage should be increased as the black students rise in number.
Submitted by CryoCyberTronics on November 24, 2007 - 1:43 PM.
In sticking with the topic. If The Richmond County Board of Education re-drew the school zone districts for high schools. Richmond County High Schools would have the enrollment of students needed to allow them to complete in a higher region classification. All except the Class A Schools...!!!
Submitted by CryoCyberTronics on November 24, 2007 - 2:24 PM.
While I attended L.C. Laney Coach David Tutt Dupree always said "The main reason why he always had Laney play in the higher regions classifications (class AAA, and later on class AAAA)is, because that that's what the fans and Lucy Laney alumni wanted to see. Laney playing with the other schools in Augusta". Which at that time were the most competitive in the C.S.R.A. The Laney Wildcats did well in everything then, and if they moved up now. I'm sure the Wildcats would once again find a way to win. As well as the rest of the Richmond County Schools.
Submitted by ZEKE61 on November 24, 2007 - 2:23 PM.
EVERYONE KNOWS THERE ARE TO MANY SCHOOL IN RICH.CO. TO REALLY HAVE GOOD TEAMS EACH SEASON AND GOOD QUALITY COACHES ARE ALSO HARD TO COME BY AND KEEP HERE. A LOT OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, I THINK IF THEY WANT TO SAVE MONEY AND BE COMPETITIVE COMBINE SEVERAL OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT MEANS CLOSING A FEW ,CLOSE GLENN HILLS AND COMBINE WITH BUTLER,CLOSE JOSEY AND COMBINE WITH LANEY, CLOSE WESTSIDE COMBINE WITH ARC AND FOR HEPH. AND CROSS CREEK THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT A LARGER SCHOOL FROM THE GET GO TO KEEP FROM GETTING KILL EACH WEEK BY THESE SCRUB TEAMS LIKE THOMSON OR MAKING THE PLAYOFFS AND HAVING TO PLAY ONE OF THOSE MEGA SCHOOLS OUT OF THE ATL.AREA
Submitted by ZEKE61 on November 24, 2007 - 2:24 PM.
EVERYONE KNOWS THERE ARE TO MANY SCHOOL IN RICH.CO. TO REALLY HAVE GOOD TEAMS EACH SEASON AND GOOD QUALITY COACHES ARE ALSO HARD TO COME BY AND KEEP HERE. A LOT OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, I THINK IF THEY WANT TO SAVE MONEY AND BE COMPETITIVE COMBINE SEVERAL OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT MEANS CLOSING A FEW ,CLOSE GLENN HILLS AND COMBINE WITH BUTLER,CLOSE JOSEY AND COMBINE WITH LANEY, CLOSE WESTSIDE COMBINE WITH ARC AND FOR HEPH. AND CROSS CREEK THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT A LARGER SCHOOL FROM THE GET GO TO KEEP FROM GETTING KILL EACH WEEK BY THESE SCRUB TEAMS LIKE THOMSON OR MAKING THE PLAYOFFS AND HAVING TO PLAY ONE OF THOSE MEGA SCHOOLS OUT OF THE ATL.AREA
Submitted by ZEKE61 on November 24, 2007 - 2:24 PM.
EVERYONE KNOWS THERE ARE TO MANY SCHOOL IN RICH.CO. TO REALLY HAVE GOOD TEAMS EACH SEASON AND GOOD QUALITY COACHES ARE ALSO HARD TO COME BY AND KEEP HERE. A LOT OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, I THINK IF THEY WANT TO SAVE MONEY AND BE COMPETITIVE COMBINE SEVERAL OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT MEANS CLOSING A FEW ,CLOSE GLENN HILLS AND COMBINE WITH BUTLER,CLOSE JOSEY AND COMBINE WITH LANEY, CLOSE WESTSIDE COMBINE WITH ARC AND FOR HEPH. AND CROSS CREEK THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT A LARGER SCHOOL FROM THE GET GO TO KEEP FROM GETTING KILL EACH WEEK BY THESE SCRUB TEAMS LIKE THOMSON OR MAKING THE PLAYOFFS AND HAVING TO PLAY ONE OF THOSE MEGA SCHOOLS OUT OF THE ATL.AREA
Submitted by swrichardson on November 24, 2007 - 9:53 PM.
I agree, I think the only way to make Richmond County competitive would be to combine schools. Hey, rCBOe is already complaining about financial shortfalls due to too many facilities, so this should be a no brainer. The only thing RCBOE does well is come up with ideas that later fail in an attempt to get more money, then spend it all on wasteful issues. Many things would improve if the schools were combined. You can only spread the talent pool so far, and with the size of this area, there are too many small high schools where the talent pool is stretched too thin. I know the band directors of Richmond County would like this idea.
Submitted by billydee1 on November 26, 2007 - 10:19 PM.
Can someone please tell me why is it that we live off South Belair RD IN ASHBERRY SUB DIV. so close to Columbia County you can throw a rock into it, my kids have to attend ARC all the way down town when clearly the closes High School is Glenn Hills it just sad that as small as Richmond Co. is, We just have to many HIGH SCHOOLS for such a small area.Richmond County needs rezoneing bad.
Submitted by Turtle2576 on November 28, 2007 - 2:07 PM.
Folks, I love football too, but football is the absolute last reason we should consolidate schools. If it is academically beneficial (and given the shrinking school population in RICO, maybe it is), then do it. Athletics shouldn't factor into it.
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